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Proven outcomes in higher education, from the people who achieved them.

Signals in Higher Ed, hosted by Darin Francis, is a podcast focused on practical outcomes in education, featuring practitioners and administrators who share what has actually worked in their institutions. The channel gives a platform to trusted voices in higher education to discuss policy, technology adoption, and student success strategies. It serves edtech buyers, institutional leaders, and faculty looking for vetted solutions to common challenges.

38 episodes
Channel Brief·signals in higher ed · 38 episodes
Updated Sep 1, 2026

Higher ed must transform work into the curriculum.

This channel argues that traditional college pathways are breaking. Institutions survive by embedding employer problems, real projects, and career outcomes into learning itself—not bolting them on after.

Signals in Higher Ed makes a single, structural argument: the college-to-career pipeline has failed, and the only way forward is to invert how education works. Rather than teaching theory first and hoping students apply it later, institutions must use real organizational work, employer projects, and skills-based credentialing as the curriculum itself. The channel proves this repeatedly by profiling institutions and vendors that embed work into degree programs, scale experiential learning across entire institutions, and tie funding to measurable workforce outcomes.

Drawn from AI Readiness in Education and 2 more

More than half of graduates are underemployed after finishing their degrees.

Episode 9: If Higher Ed Wants Experiential Learning at Scale

By the numbers

40-50%

engineering program dropout rates in the U.S.

11%

annual continuing education enrollment growth rate

59 of 100

global workers needing reskilling by 2030, per WEF

4.7 million

jobs projected to grow in U.S. between 2022-2032

What the channel argues

DataEngineering dropout rates reach 40-50% in U.S. programs, signaling deeper structural design failures.
DataContinuing education enrollments grow 11% annually while traditional undergraduate declines, creating urgent opportunity.
InsightNACE research shows students must demonstrate concrete skill examples in hiring processes, not just credentials.
DataWorld Economic Forum projects 59 of 100 workers globally need reskilling by 2030, reshaping higher ed mission.
InsightInternship-to-full-time hiring conversion rates reached multi-year highs, making hands-on experience structurally critical.
DataU.S. employment expected to grow 4.7 million jobs between 2022 and 2032, accelerating workforce-aligned pathway urgency.

What you'll learn

Why internships and co-ops alone fail to reach all students: financial, geographic, and logistical barriers exclude those who need career prep most.
How employer-sponsored apprenticeships and earn-while-you-learn models are reshaping higher ed value propositions as ROI skepticism grows.
Why AI is making traditional closed-answer assessments obsolete and forcing engineering and business schools toward applied, real-world problem-solving.
How regional public universities are scaling experiential learning institution-wide as a persistence and enrollment strategy, not just a differentiator.
What federal policy shifts like Workforce Pell mean for short-cycle credentials: funding now ties to completion and placement outcomes, not seat time.

What to do about it

Audit your institution's experiential learning architecture: is it a boutique program or embedded in core curriculum? Scale from optional to institution-wide.
Map every employer relationship and skill gap in your region; build formal talent supply chains with healthcare, engineering, and tech sectors rather than advisory-board relationships.
Redesign career coaching as infrastructure, not services: make it mandatory, integrated into advising, and measured against employment and wage outcomes within 12 months of graduation.

Who and what shows up

Andrew Salmon

Cofounder, Intangled Learning

Developed work-generated learning model where organizational practices, not faculty-designed syllabi, become the actual curriculum.

Fritz Andover

Director of Online Program Support Services, University of Minnesota

Operates systemized program-funding process across five campuses: market evaluation, enrollment modeling, and financial viability assessment before launch.

Kristen Fox

CEO, Business-Higher Education Forum

Frames the central question: does higher education actually prepare students for the workforce? NACE research shows work-based learners get more job offers and higher starting salaries.

Business-Higher Education Forum

Research and advocacy organization

Consistently surfaces that employer-university alignment must be institution-wide strategy, not siloed in career services, to address workforce readiness gaps at scale.

Iron Range Engineering

Engineering education provider

Demonstrates model scaling experiential learning with alternative assessment methods and employer relationships to produce graduates who navigate ambiguity and communicate across teams.

Questions this channel answers

Q

How can colleges scale experiential learning without relying on traditional unpaid internships?

By embedding live employer projects into the curriculum itself (Riipen), building co-op models into degree requirements (business schools), and creating alternative experiential pathways that integrate into academic structure rather than requiring external placements (University of Virginia's flood-the-zone model).

The Degree That Pays You Back: How Employer-Sponsored Ap…
Q

What skills do employers actually want from college graduates?

Beyond technical knowledge: moral courage, creative confidence, adaptability, ethical reasoning, real-world problem-solving, and durable skills like judgment and communication that AI cannot easily automate. Students must demonstrate concrete examples of these skills in action during hiring.

Work Generated Learning with Andrew Salmon of Intangled …
Q

Why are traditional four-year degrees losing credibility with students, parents, and employers?

Rising tuition costs, skills gaps on entry, long time-to-employment, and growing skepticism about ROI have pushed confidence in the traditional pathway down significantly. Employer-sponsored apprenticeships and one-year AI-focused alternatives now compete by offering earn-while-you-learn models and faster job readiness.

Tale of Two Interns: What AI Is Really Doing to Entry-Le…
Q

How should universities decide which online or new programs to fund and launch?

Through disciplined market analysis, enrollment scenario modeling, and resource assessment, not intuition. Universities like Minnesota systematize the decision with dedicated offices that evaluate market opportunity, build financial models, and help units secure funding before program launch.

How NASH and Texas are scaling microcredentials
Q

What does AI mean for entry-level hiring and early-career work?

AI is reshaping opportunity: students use AI to apply more broadly and present polished profiles, while employers struggle to distinguish candidates. The real pressure is not disappearing roles but reshaped ones, forcing higher ed to help students prove authentic capability beyond AI-assisted applications.

If Higher Ed Wants Experiential Learning at Scale, It Ne…
Topics:Work-based learning and apprenticeshipsExperiential learning at scaleEmployer-university alignmentSkills-based credentials and competencyCareer coaching and workforce development
Themes:Inversion: work becomes curriculum, not an add-on after graduationEquity and scale: experiential learning must reach all students, not just the privileged few who can afford unpaid internshipsOutcome accountability: institutions now measured by employability, wage gains, and skills demonstration, not enrollment or credit hours

Industry context

Higher education is expanding beyond traditional school leavers to serve working professionals and career-changers, while institutions face pressure to demonstrate workforce readiness and skills development alongside traditional degree outcomes.

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