Straight Outta Crumpton: Transforming Leadership and Fostering Hope with Mikel Bowman

This is straight straight straight out of Crumpton with your host, Greg Crumpton. Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of straight out of Crumpton. I'm Gabby Bar, and I am joined by Mr. Greg crumped in. Now, Greg, I am going to let you take it away and tell all of our listeners What exciting topics we have in store for them today? Today, and fortunate enough to have Michael Bowman join us And I read Michael's book, and I'm like, I gotta get in touch with this guy. So like me being so shy, I just reach out and and say, hey, But you would you join us for a podcast and and he didn't know what he was getting into, but he agreed miraculously. So, Michael, welcome to straight out of Crumpton glad you're here and happy Monday to you. Thank you. It is always an honor anytime we're asked. I I love the conversations. I love being out here doing the what we're doing. And, thank you for the kind words on our book. Well, the book, I can't recall if I started following you and then I saw the book or it the book made me follow you. Either way, it's been really fun and and been very insightful of what you guys Anita is your wife. Is that correct? Yes, sir. So I I see you guys traveling around, doing your thing. And I'm like, we need to learn what that thing is. So why don't you, before we get going to the tell tell us a little bit about you, what you do, why you do, and, and, all that gets Well, we started a business during COVID. Yeah. Collect the best time to start a business, right, right in the height of COVID in. It's called Bowman legacies, and our business consultancy, what we do is we help businesses better structure the human element of what they do on a daily basis so people can lead on a high level. And what that does is it really cuts down on the retention, like, losing people. We help with that recruiting retention issue, and we help leaders lead on higher levels. And what we found is the more that we do that, and the more we bring that kinda human elk in and helping leaders understand how to best utilize their team. We're finding that just, you know, finance the blessings to that is overwhelming because there's a lot of fat being trimmed there. And we're really stopping obsessing about all what the organization is not. And working with what you've got. And then on the other side, because our business is split in half. We have dual we have some duality here. We also help, on that personal development side. So I coach a lot of CEOs and presidents that have been there up on top, and they're just kinda wondering what's next. They're kind of going through life and going through changes and needing help and really trying to find more depth to their life. And so that's where we come right in there and help them to alleviate that pressure and help them to find a clear path forward. I started off in blue collar world, man. It's, I'm from the Midwest. So Indiana, we've got I'm bragging here, but we've got the best darn limestone in in the country. Hey. It's not bragging if you can back it up to what Dion Sanders said. Come on. Right? Yeah. Look at Washington, DC, and every monument, and thing. And that's all for Indiana. Oh, cool. Someone someone out there is like, no, it's not. It's such just such monument as Hey. We've got all of them muted today. You're you're safe. But so I come to a blue collar world, and, I've been a driller in the mining industry, you know, I've been a drillers helper out there raking holes and drilling holes. I I've helped with drilling blast opportunities. I've been a safety guy. So I was a safety guy for a drilling company that covered about six states. So I had a pretty big area just myself to cover. Put a hundred thousand miles on a three quarter ton Chevy pickup truck in less than a year. That I worked for, a startup, and we were in the fastest growing mining companies in the world, let alone in our country. At that time, I was employee twenty four, I believe, when we started. And then by the a year and a half, we had approximately three hundred employees coast to coast. Yeah. So, and then I was in the non for profit space for a long time too. So, you know, I have that back and counseling and and just being there for families, helping families get back together. I helped one percent of bikers reactulate to life after being in prison, And so, I've just kinda had a lot of experiences. And so that's just kind of the quick synopsis of where we were and where we are. It's a journey for sure. And, you know, you're you're not thirty. And, you know, I think that the scar tissue, you gather as we grow and as we age and as we go through seasons, really pushing a unique perspective to be able to get back. It's so cool, man. When and I I think I commented on your post one time about the book. And I really felt like when I was reading the book, leading from the middle, that I got it because I've been in similar situations. Not obviously. I'm I'm a HVAC guy, but I've been in some weird situations where you come had to pull some some trucks out in the mud. And, I that really resonated well with me, and and assuming other as well due to the popularity of the book. I was just telling you before the the show started, my nephew message the other day. He said he'd started reading it. And I'm like, how do you know about it? And he's like, you know, unfortunately, he follows me. So I guess it was, he he caught on through that, but I love the, real, real life nature of what you write and then your postings, you know, when you're putting out a message to me, it's just real life. It's no BS, it's no overly edited, you know, crap that you're like, it it's weird when people send you a motivational message, so that looks like they crapped it for an hour and a half. You know, like, I'm the realest. I like real crap. And, I just not real crap. I like stuff it's done well in in real time. So I I definitely appreciate that. One percent bikers. I don't see the teardrop out too. So I guess you all are, like, point o one percent. So you didn't go full, one percent. I didn't go full, you know, cut in three patch and all that stuff. No. No. I I ministered to those people and, you know, unfortunately, I did a few funerals for those people and and, as a minister. And, you know, I I found such a love for them because of their loyalty towards one another, you know, and just like you said, with realism, you know, with my post, we try to stay as real as we can, and we which we I just I think blue collar people can smell fake you know, like blood, sharks getting blood in the water. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I didn't wanna do that with the book. I didn't wanna add frivolous chapters like people do just so the book can look thicker. And I didn't want, in, in my own personal life to come across as sales y, and that's one of the hardest things about pushing your business and what you're doing. Then Blue calling my whole life. I hate that stuff myself. And being with these one percenters, you know, for seven years of my life, one of the things that I learned from them was just true genuineness. True absolute authentic genuineness. And I'm not saying that You know, obviously, I I never partook in anything that they were doing in the background. Right? I never did any of that stuff. And, I had a Japanese motorcycle, so And I and I rode with some of these guys, you know, but, usually, unfortunately, it's to a funeral or something like that. But for me, Just being real is so important. We have so much fake now. You know, Hollywood's pushing fake, Instagram's pushing fake. Everyone in the all worlds pushing fake You know, we know how to do the the the selfie. Right. You know, when I was was telling these younger guys, and Kai said, I got catfish this weekend. And I was like, oh, I'm like, Awesome. Way to go. You went fishing, man. I love fishing too. And, well, flick them. You it's from Mars. He goes, no, you old man. He's like, a catfish. And he told me that this young lady, bless her heart, had taken the most phenomenal model like pictures of herself, and When she showed up, this was not the same person in the pictures. And, you know, we we are so obsessed with perfection and how things look. I just Even with the book, we didn't overly edit it. Yeah. We didn't just wanted to stay as authentic and true to ourselves as we possibly could and be as raw and real because there's a lot of leadership books out there, a lot of books out there full of a lot of fluff or such heady stuff that it really doesn't apply to everyday life. And we just I don't wanna live my life that way, and I didn't wanna write that way. Well, it came off well, man. I'm I'm telling you that there's when when I read it, I felt like it was something that, you know, if I were to pin something, it would it would sound like that because I I'm with you. I'm I'm old school. Been in the industry for forty one years. Probably the only guy at my corporate office would pay a RedLINK that I wear on a regular basis. Just it's just my deal. Tell me about working with the wife. You know, I don't know exactly how you guys are, in in how you, you know, do your business, but I worked with my wife for a long time. And I know what it brought us but the the rewards and the challenges. Because there's both, you know, when you're working that closely, and we were laughing yesterday She and I were were together a lot because we traveled together last week. And, there was some comment made at church yesterday and we were driving home. She's like, I bet you're ready for a break for me, aren't you? I'm like, baby. I didn't say that. She's like, you didn't have to. I know. But there's the trade off, you know, when you're working with a spouse or or or your better half, whatever you wanna call it. How do how do you guys work that? Does need to do more of the the running of the business and you're the the the pretty face, which is a stretch But Made the strength. How you how you guys work together? I've never been accused of being pretty. I'll tell you that right now. Well, for us, you know, I noticed like to come home from work and see that my kids have changed. That they grew. And I missed a big section. You know what it's like for my little girl to tell me that she learned how to ride a bike and I didn't teach her. Yeah. I absolutely hate it, but, like, when that part of it. You know, I love the blue collar world. I love blue collar work. We're building this world. And when COVID happened, you know, they were like, hey, everybody stay home except for you guys. Yeah. Essential workers. Yeah. You guys go back to work. It's a Tuesday. Okay? And so, you know, you guys are my heroes, and and and I'm so honored to to be in that world, but when we decided to make this business happen, I'll never my health very much doing, Anita and I do travel together. And, the reason for that were a package deals, obviously, because, she has to. She has to come with me to monitor my health, make sure that I'm okay, be that You know, she's just become a nurse for me. And as of the new year last year, for probably about eight months, she had to help me get dressed. And so there was a lot of challenges to that, but we've always been best friends. And above all things, above being lovers, above being just married people, being parents, we've been best friends, and we just always wanted to be together. We just always wanted to hang out. And we always obsessed about working together and and creating something beautiful that we both could put our hands to. And, her dynamic is she's the best business coach I've ever met in my life. She's the best personal development coach I've ever met in my life, and she's so steady in forward thinking. And with that in our corner. Yeah. She does a lot of the administrative stuff, but because I am not super organized, I'm more of that bombastic flagmatic guy who's just all over the place sometimes, but for her, she's definitely our metronome. And she keeps us in pace. And without her, I just don't I just wouldn't wanna do this. Yeah. Well, that's cool, man. It's good that you found that rhythm you know, Connie and I've been married next month will be thirty eight years. You know, I don't necessarily think about depending on her. I don't look at it as depending on her right now. But to your point, it's like, why wouldn't you wanna hang out? You know, I mean, it's somebody who you built your whole life and career with the days that sucked, you know, she was there in the days that were big huge victory she was there. So it's just good when you when you can find that harmony. I know there's so many people who have floundered either in their career or at home or a business because they didn't have that that cohesive partner. I love the fact that you guys are able to do that. Alright. Changing gears. How do you, you know, you you said you were for successful companies, successful CEOs and you're a blue collar did, which I love those two things together. How do you go about I'm not gonna say it spining yourself, but what is the draw for somebody to come to Michael, and and Bowman when I have a season say we need help? What what it are some of the common themes that you feel like resonate that your life, we we've got this. We we know how to do this really well. What What what does that sound like when you hear? Man, it's so eclectic, and I can give you some examples. But, obviously, we don't shout a lot of the times about some of the specifics because they're very sensitive. Sure. I've definitely had a lot of presidents of companies that have come to me because they're just lost in life. They're looking for a hope. They're looking for a new way to go and and to try to find some solidarity to their own life. And you mentioned going to church the other day. Well, a lot of guys out there, they're evangelical Christians that are looking for more out of their lives and and to push harder and to be more. And that's been a draw for me. That's been a big part of what we do for people. And then the other part of that too is I've had a company call me and say, hey, We had a mandatory thirty day shutdown from OSHA. Cultually, we're bankrupt. Everybody hates their job. We're losing people left and right. I don't know what to do, but I'm hungry for change, and I know I need to change, and it starts with me. And so, you know, that's been a place that's been very good for us because we've been able to jump in there and go, okay. Your mess doesn't scare me. Right. Yeah. You know, this doesn't frighten me. One hundred percent that we're there for you. And then I've had companies say, hey, look, our national safety director needs guide I mean, we're building a team. We're trying to do the best thing in this nation, so we need your help. Help us to organize. Help this guy to get focused. Help this guy to learn how to lead on a high level. Have done that for superintendents. I've done that for foreman. I've done that for presidents of organizations, and that's the draw. Hey. You know what? We could use help. And then I add a company one time just so graciously come to me and say, Hey, look, I don't know how we're doing. And I wanna find out. I wanna find out, you know, financially, we're doing work great. We're making money, but I know that's not the precursor to success because I wanna build a bigger legacy than that. I wanna have a company that's a legacy company and that we actually have people that are happy. And then getting the highways and hedges of that organization to find out that nobody's happy. Right. And that culturally, they were in what we call at Bowman Legacy's a cult culture, where if you don't believe the colors, if you don't say everything's great, If you don't, you know, you're afraid that your job is on the line. And that kind of transparency is is so necessary if you wanna move your business forward. And so that's what we do, and that's why people come to us because they know, you know, our our logo is a sword and shield, and we're big about saying linking shields. We link shield with you. And once we do that, we're not number one again, we're not afraid of your mess. And number two, we're ready to link shields with you in such a way that nothing's gonna hurt you while we're here. And we're not gonna bail on you. We're not gonna run away, prayed. We're not gonna throw up our hands and say we give up. We're here until this job is where you're happy. And and we've just gotten some major great feedback. We've we've gotten some wonderful referrals And, man, it's just turning an industry that used to be, you know, do it my way or the highway. Do as not as I do, and we're changing all that and revolutionizing the way we lead and feed our people. Well, you know, it's really I I've studied a lot, really, the last year, more than ever, but for a long time, but really the last year I concentrated on this is the, generational being able to communicate across multiple generations. My day job, actually, I have have to have one because I could not get paid to podcasts isn't that good enough for that, but I'm not rogan yet. But, to my day job, is working at service logic where, one of my roles is I take care of a group of safety professionals. So every one of our companies, which are, I think, there's fifty three right now. They all have a safety person. And that person could be a full time professional, or it could be a project manager or even a company president depending on the size of the company. We don't dictate how they run their safety. We help them with their safety. And they are, you know, from from thirty years old or younger, to seventy years old and younger. So you've got four different generations that you're communicating to. And learning what works for each generation. If if you say a phrase that you want to accomplish You have to understand really well as you're speaking that how that's hitting the ears of whatever person is is hopefully listening or at least hearing it. And, man, that's been so cool, to really dig into because we all understand different. You know, I was born in sixty four. I'm the last year of a baby boomer. And so my boomer friends hear stuff one way. My my exers here in another way and my zs here in another way. So, you know, I'm I'm very, astute now to making sure I know what the hell I'm saying because What I might say to a boomer may be offensive to somebody else, and what I might say to somebody else, a boomer would miss you know, because I didn't use the right vernacular or or whatever. So that's been really fun, but I think to your point about leading from the middle, if you're doing so, you gotta know who you're talking to. And, you know, the leadership thing is so far as you eloquently tell us, it's much bigger than your title. You know, it's it's leading a group of people regardless. If if you're, you know, making sandwiches at subway, you can lead from the lettuce, you know. Oh, yeah. You're a crew. You don't have to be the manager and I just love that whole communication connecting with your tribe, understanding who your people are, and the linking of the shields not logo to me. It really caught my eye. So what and I can't remember if your book talked about it or if I just went and looked at it, but the linking of the shifts, how that came to be. I mean, that's pretty strong. And Very good. You know, it's it's basically you're going to battle with each other and you're shield by shield, I just think it's strong. You know, I I I think that the more and, you know, is it a blue collar thing only No. No. But it's a different grittiness to it perhaps. You know, that's how I think about it. I think the the the concept actually, a lot of people attribute it to the Romans, but it's not just the Romans or Romans copied everything off the Greeks. And That ideology of linking shields is on one side of the Roman shield, which the Bavarians called will shield the door. Okay? Because of the way it looked. You know, most of the time, it traditionally like the Viking round shield or some form of that was what we saw. And the Robans really understood it and took it to a whole new level. Like, they took it out a whole new door and and here they have this shield on one side's a loop and the other side's a hook. And the idea of linking shield was we put a my hook in your loop. And we didn't even have to like each other. But the fact of the matter was once we were taking ground with one another, if I'm wounded, you could bear the weight, of course, and a hundred other people could bear the weight of my shield. Now. And now I could still fight, you know, wounded and not have to worry about it because I knew you had my back. You had my shield. Literally, And so I think that that's so important that when we link shields, we don't have to be best friends. And this this goes across the board. This goes from every blue collar guy and gal out there to every CEO and executive. You know, I've coached people that were on the floor of the, you know, the trading of trading who rang the bell on the trading. I've I've coached people that were, you know, leaning on a shovel. It's all the same language. I've I've coached people right now that are reaching retirement, and I've coached people that are in their twenties. And it's that constant mentality of I will be there for you. And that language that crosses Exers Millennials baby boomers. It's called integrity. It's called all. It's called when I am in this with you, I care more about you than I do me. And if I hold you up so high that no one else sees me, I've done my job here. And it's more about the mission The mission is what matters. I've coached people that for for some that that we were just such polar opposites I'm an outdoorsman. I I've backpacked the Olympic. I've, you know, I I love being outsized chopping wood, you know, doing guy stuff, but, I I taught self defense when I when I was growing up as a kid taught my girls how to punch and take care of themselves. I was in a Japanese hard style martial art, knew what it was like to compete and fight, but I've met guys that, and and ladies that that that world's not even nowhere near them, but the common language is love. And there's a term that you'll you'll you'll know that there's no greater love than a man that gives his life for his brother. There's no greater love. And when we pour into each other, and we put integrity first, we put honor first, we put the mission first, and we die to ourselves just in to try to make that mission happen. It is unbelievable the foundations of of bad cultures that get rattled. It is unbelievable. The foundations I get rattled of a hard life or maybe a stuck mindset. It's unbelievable what happens when people know, hey, When I call Greg, when I call Michael, he may not have all the answers, but he's gonna be there for me. It's unbelievable what happens. And it what bruises the gap? That kind of language. You don't have to have the right terminology. You don't have to have the right slang. People recognize no matter what generation that are in, love. Man, I love that. Wise, love. Now I've got a good friend of mine, DJ Peruchow. He's the founder of a coffee company up in Pittsburgh called Common Place Coffee. He also has a beard remarkably like yours. So if I cover you up just from the, chin up, you look like TJ, but you know, he runs a crew of he's got eighty eighty folks. And, man, you're talking about a diverse group of people now. You you get eighty coffee people working together. You've got a diverse group, but, you know, he offering some that all out of the same you just described, and he's a theologian, you know, he graduated with a master's. How he applies his seminary training and knowledge to running in his business day to day is pretty cool to watch develop. But that's what you just described is the core of it. In in our terminology of my company, is do you want them in the fox hole with you? And when we're you know, debating on a new company joining our our company or if we are debating on the person joining our leadership team, that's what we say. Do would you want that person in the fox hole with you? And your point, you know, I never heard it put quite that way when you hold them up higher than you are, where nobody can see you, but they see them. That's the ultimate, you know, and and and being a teammate or being whatever you wanna call that word I love that. That was a great great description. Thank you for that. I could wish I could take credit for it. But I a friend of mine, Perry Sanders, who mentored me, and I remember I was a very lost young man, very violent. I got I lost a job because of violence. I'm not proud of it. And so for me, I I was just kind of taught that if I wasn't a tough guy and I couldn't fight, I couldn't do this. I couldn't do that. Then I was on the man, and I was just very confused. And I'll never forget him looking at me one day and just saying I see greatness in you. And that greatness was placed in there by the good lord, And it wasn't just placed in there for you, but for a lot of other people too. And he said, you know, Michael, if I hold you up so high that no one can see me, I've done my job in your life. And I spent seven years working side by side with that guy. Any change in revolutionized the way that I look at life and other people. And I'm proud to say I've not lost another job because of violence. I'm not proud to say that That's one of my hang ups, and I've come close, you know, and but, I learned that through him that I mean, as crazy as it sounds in a blue collar, you know, world that love really is the answer. And and the fact that you can have just the insatiable desire to see everybody in the room win. And, unfortunately, some people don't want to. You know? And that's okay. Some will, some won't oh, well, who's next, but the mass effect. The mass effect of what you do when you finally decide, hey, look, I'm drawing the lines All this macho bravado, all of this, assumptions of who I am as far as the the recognition of my generation none of that matters. You know, what truly matters is affecting the person right in front of me for a positive direction. And and changing me and growing me. And I'm gonna tell you that's the kind of legacy that I want for my own life. I've I've sat in funerals did and heard the pastor preaching, not had to stand up and talking about how good the person was. And I had to stand up and make sure I was in the right place. I did did the pastor make a run with her. I knew this person. I'm in the wrong I'm in the wrong funeral right now. This guy was a pain in the butt. He was awful. You know? And I don't want that for me because at the end of the day, I want my kids calling me when they're in trouble, not some friend who doesn't know what they're talking At the end of the day, my coworkers, when they need help, I want them to know they're they're unequivocally that they're gonna call me. They're gonna call me. Because they know I'm there for him. I wanna be that type of person. And if you don't, that's okay. But get out of the way of those who do. That I'll I've often said I wanna be the person that you call at three AM when your car is broken down in the rain, and I'm pissed if you didn't call. You know, I wanna be I wanna help people like that as well. Tell me about your thoughts on motivating people who have yet to come to the position in life that Perry helped you get to. I'll work with and around a bunch of young bops. And I've been a young buck. I get it. And I, like you, had, some really good mentoring and some really good modeling to to watch and to see what worked. For these men that I worked with in these in these ladies who excelled at what they did. I often find myself thinking man, I wish I could just get into that youngster's head and fast forward a few years, you know, because To me, young men as a rule really tend to to grab a gear around the age of thirty. Twenty eight to thirty seems to be the people in my life when they really drive a gear. Now there are disruptions for sure. My I told you about my nephew earlier, very young into understanding life. But how do you help people. This is going to sound weird. How do you help people age and mature at a rap more rapid rate than maybe their surroundings would provide for. If if you can. Hi, listen. First and foremost, I listen. The listeners ears, I think one of the most important things that you can have as a human being, and hear what people are saying, but then also listen to what they're not saying. And I take it my time. We're we're in such a bit busy quick fast pace. We gotta move fast. Get this leader where he needs to be in fast fast track this guy, fast track this guy fast, get him prepared, move, move, move production production production in all areas. It doesn't matter if it's the exact world. It doesn't matter if financial world. It's a matter if it's in the blue collar world. It's always that. We're moving fast. We gotta move fast. No. I take my time. I do things for businesses that they can't do themselves. I take my time with people because that's what it takes. You can't, you know, most people cannot just hear, well, that's dumb, and you're doing that wrong, and you're doing this wrong. All those things might be right. You're not thinking about this the right way. You know, blah, blah, blah, and just really hammer it. That all might be right, but see to move someone forward, you need trust. They've got to trust. And all because you say I'm there for you doesn't look, when when I'm a business consultant, when I'm sitting there coaching somebody for business, their first four calls with me, they're thinking they're getting fired. Right. You're thinking that I'm looking for ways to go, okay. Yeah. You need to let this guy go. No. It's all about taking your time. It's all about coaching and being intentional and going okay. This person thrives with this right here. Here's this person's love language. This is where this person is from. This is where this person was raised. This is how and I'm gonna tell you, I think if I could boil down what we do is we're fathers to the fatherless world. Man, that's so strong. Yeah. To be fathers to people, because a father in the old days, a good father took his time. You know, in rural areas, you took time to teach your kid how to mend fence. Absolutely. Literally. You took the teacher kid how to take care of livestock. Look, you don't learn how to ride a horse the first time you're on it, getting to know the animal, getting to know what it likes, what it doesn't like, how it moves to become one with that creature. While you're riding to get it from point a to point b, man, that takes a lot of fathering. Takes a lot of lessons, how to swing a hammer, how to build a house, how to do things properly, And the father was there for that. And when we stole when we stole rural America from blue collar people, and we killed the farmer, We did a lot to make a fatherless world because now what raises kids is Instagram TikTok. You know, I I I was working on a mountain with kids. These young guys. I say kids. Right? We all say, oh, kids. No. You know, sounds so ridiculous. Right? But I'm on its mountain in the diablo mountain range with one man that had never mowed grass. They hadn't owned their own vehicle. I saw this kid We he was just standing there. And, right in front of the, right in front of our work trailer. And I just remember him just standing there. He looked kinda lost and scared to say something, but I just went up to him, say, hey, Brad, what's it on? I looked down and I saw the front right tire was flat. And he was like, oh, nothing. I'm fine. Everything's fine. And I could see the jack out. I could see all the things. I go, hey. Between you and me? He said, yeah. I go no judgment here. Brother, but you don't know how to change a tire do you. And he's like, no. No, I don't. And I said, well, guess what? I'm gonna teach you. And I'm gonna yep. You're about to. And I said, I'm gonna teach you the right way. I said, I'm not gonna pick up a tool. I'm gonna point out what to do and why. And I'm gonna intentionally lead you so you're gonna know emphatically right now how to change a tire. I said, you know how to jump a truck? If it's a dead battery, he said, no. I said, you're gonna learn that today too. He's like, okay. And he got excited because he knew there was absolutely no judgment of what he didn't know. And that's an extreme importance. Look, I was taught, right or wrong or indifferent. My father was rough. He was hard on me. And some people would be like, Mike, You've been to counseling, right, when they hear about how I was raised. But my dad taught things. He taught me how to change a tire. He taught me how to work hard. He taught me how to jump a truck He taught me how to be durable when the weather was rough. He taught me how to be strong. He taught taught me how to defend myself. He taught me to hunt. He taught me how to provide. He taught me how to garden. He taught me all of these things, but we don't get those teachings now. And so what we have to do is be patient. We have to slow down. If you're wanting to bring someone somewhere who don't get it, You've got to explain these things and take time. We have this heartless thing, and it just upsets the heck out of me. Higher fast, fire fast. And that's how we are in relationships. I'm gonna tell you something. If you think that I, my wife's dream man, you are out of your mind. I have a very firm appreciation for that, Robin. Right. If did you think I checked Walmart boxes, you're out of your mind, but we have to take time with each other. We have to live we have to walk home together, and so that we have to give each other grace. And that's where we're not seeing a whole lot of in this world either. We're not seeing any intentional grace. We're not seeing any intentional leadership, and people are spinning their wheels and they're upset, and they're blaming everybody else for their problems instead of looking in the mirror and going, hey, I gotta draw a line in San here. It starts with me. Well, sad. Alright. Well, I'm gonna take the next seventeen years to analyze everything you just said, but I do so strongly agree with the the lack of whole training and home and learning, and I'm not talking about touch book. I'm talking about what you described. I too had a father who was still gracious and taught me so many things. I worry. And I I know we're not supposed to worry as humans, but I do I'll worry about the fatherless population growing up right now. Single moms do it the best they can. But there's certain things moms can't do. And, for a lack of they weren't trained to do it, you know, but those are their moms or their are ladies or they weren't, for whatever reason, they weren't trained on how to how to skin a deer. You know? Have to have that for a daily, but there's a lot of stuff that happens when you're kneeling with your dad that you're learning or your uncle or your grandfather or a male figure in your life that we are missing as a population. I I so much want people to make a commitment to do that with a kid, you know, spend time with young men, if you're a guy, spend time with young ladies if you're a old lady. The I told you a while ago, Connie was leaving for a road trip today She's actually reuniting with a young lady who she has mentored for ten years. They're having lunch today and where this young lady is now versus where she was ten years ago is so freaking remarkable, but it had everything to do, Michael, with what you said about what you earned from your dad. My wife has helped this young lady understand things. That you just have to understand in life that she didn't get anywhere else. There was nobody else to to help her. And to be able to see that, and go, wow. You know, this this young lady is now doing so well. And it was nothing but ten years. You know? Like, that's not a short period of time meant to mentor people, but that's what it takes. It really takes that commitment. It's not a quick hit society on the results side like it is on the want side, you know, to your point, we've gotta get this leaner up to speed or whatever. My industry suffers from a lack of skilled people, you know, wanting to join the trade. And then once they're in the trade, you know, I want to encourage all of my peers to take time to get back to these young folks. Help them. So what? It's a Saturday morning. Go help them. Go show up on their job. Go go be their house, teach them how to well, whatever. Just get pour back into them. It is so important. And and you made that out so well of it. I'd I'd actually just shut up because I'm not doing what you said any justice. I'm just in awe of it. Am a good way. Alright. I know that, I'm watching the clock here. I'm trying to be mindful of everyone's time, but what's on the horizon for Bowman Lexus seats. When when when you guys sit back and think about where you've come and and where you started and the success that you've had Where where do you see yourself, you know, in the in the trajectory of good or however you guys measure. What what's next? Studios is while I'm asking. I think, you know, we have to be very careful tomorrow. Right? Tomorrow was is a check on cash. And I think that we, you know, we yeah. We have to really be careful and sensitive to that, and staying in the moment is very important for us. And being faith based, you know, we're also asking a lot. Like, hey, what's next? What's next? But for us, we wanted just to continue and encourage the world. And I really feel like there's no limit to that. There's no stop to that. There's no end to that. I say this all the time. You know, a dancer only has so long to do what she does and where he does, and then they have to teach. Because her body just can't handle it. Right? You know, a thirty year old ballerina is actually an old lady. You know, here she is in the prime of her life, but she her body is, you know, very, very tired. And so, you know, uh-uh, football player who's in his forties, they're gonna call him the old man. You know, a fighter in his forties. No one's Yol Elmero. You know, I don't know if you know who he is, but I very greatly admire this Cuban fighter in He's been around forever. It's a freak of nature. You know, people even doctors have studied his body to say, this is money. He's not normal. And so you know, you only have, a a very limited time for this, but growing as a human being and growing as a leader and getting compassion and wisdom. Is an endless track of encouragement. Instead of being a part of the echo chamber of hopelessness, that is this world, you can do something great and build a mighty legacy, and that's what we're aiming for. We want to build a legacy. We want to stop our foot in the world to to hear the earth rattle. And we wanna do it because there's just so much hopelessness. We want to really drive hope into people no matter where they're at. No matter where they're at, no matter who they are, to help them understand they've got greatness within them. And we all fall off that path, and I don't care if you're listening today and you've been incarcerated. I don't care if you just through a divorce. I don't care if you just got fired and you feel like you're the biggest failure in the world. You're not. You're not. Don't give up. Don't quit. That's the mastery of life. That's what builds that legacy, your fortuitousness, your ability to just absolutely stick after it and keep going and reinventing yourself. Facing your fears. Look, guys, all because you're afraid does not make you brave. Alright? I've talked to many people that have seen battle that were scared to death, and god bless them they did what they had to do anyway. Life's a battle. Life's a battle. Keep facing those demons. Keep facing those dragons and do it scared. But do it. And don't give up. Keep going. Keep striving. Keep living. Keep being full of joy. Keep pe filling people with hope. Educate yourself. You don't need a PhD to do something great. You don't need a million followers on Instagram or TikTok to be great. You don't need to be famous to be great. You can be great right where you are because you have it well within you. So keep going, and that's what Bowman Legacy wants to do. That's a taste of what we wanna do, but we wanna do it on a global scale. Here, you know, people know us, but we're not nationally known. There's a lot of people who don't know who we are. We want that to stop. We want everybody to know who we are, not because we want fame, not because we want millions of dollars. That's ridiculous because we want to bitch usher in as much hope into people's lives as we possibly can before I say die before the last breath of my lungs. I want people to know their loved. I want people to know that they can do great things, and they don't have to have a great background to do it. Well, folks, I don't know how we could have ended on a better note than than hearing that vision and that personification A bowman wagencies that Michael just laid out. And it's so so freaking rewarding to hear words like that, Michael. And and, you know, it's tough man. People are getting beat up all over the place literally and figuratively around the world right now. And people are they're they're probably tired mentally, they're they're unsure of what the heck's coming next, but Thank you for those words, encouraging words. And, I you said you want people to know you worldwide. Well, you have just become supersonic famous because you've been on the screen Supersonic. Crumpton podcast. Get get ready. That's all I can tell you. You better get some more hats, man, brother. Because All twenty seven or our people are coming hard for you. Come on with it. But I really, I just wanted to say thanks for joining day. And, you know, sharing some hope, telling the story of Bowman latencies, go out and buy the book people is such a good read. It it buy buy three copies. Keep one for yourself and get two away. Oh, okay. And I'm not saying that to make Michael more money. I'm saying that because there's so much good in the book that people need to read and that they can relate to because it's not a fairy tale. It's not some PhD dribble. It's real stuff. And I think you'll enjoy it. So, Michael, thank you again. For what you and Anir are both doing. We love follow with what you're doing, follow it along, and and, you know, your your early morning shots before daylight are really cool. I love when I see those. So really appreciate what you guys are doing for the community. But, thank you for coming on and and, you know, shared a good word with us. Oh, thank you, Greg, for having us. I really appreciate you. Thank you. Everyone, thank you so much for listening to another episode of straight out of Crumpton. For more episodes like this, subscribe through Apple or Spotify Podcast. And don't forget to check out greg crumpton dot com for all of your greg crumpton content.