What's going on, everyone, Daniel litwin, the voice of B2B, and joining you here from the Irving Convention Center for Charge Expo twenty twenty four I'm pleased to welcome here, miss Alejandra Cabreira. She's a product engineer with gasmet technologies. She's joining us to tell us a little bit about this piece of equipment here, but also the role that gas met tech plays in the larger evolving ecosystem of the electrification of the grid, electric vehicle adoption, and we'll get into here in a little bit, the mass adoption of batteries, battery testing, and energy storage equipment. So Thank you so much for joining us. How are you doing today? I'm great. Thank you very much for inviting me. Absolutely. Real pleasure getting to, you know, learn from you today, learn a little bit more about gasmet's tech. And again, the role that it plays in the larger industry, meeting some of the major challenges that are facing the grid, utilities on the larger energy sector. So thanks again. Why don't you tell our audience a little bit more about what Gasbat Technologies does? Give them the overview on the types of solutions that you create and then go ahead and break down what this one is here that we're looking at. Great. Thank you. So we manufacture FDIR multi gas analyzers. So FDIR stands for multigas app for, for you to transform in from its spectroscopy analyzers. They are widely deployed for different applications going from emission, you know, continuous emissions monitoring from stationary sources to laboratory installations sealed monitoring indoor air gas monitoring. In here, we have the GT five thousand here, our most portable design. It's a it's a multi gas analyzer that can measure up to fifty gases simultaneously. It can do both monitoring of known species and then identification of unknown. So, you know, applications are endless with this instrument. And one of those very nice ones we've, we've we can connect to, especially at this conference, is, monitoring certain, toxic components that get evolved during unsafe events, when you're storing lithium ion batteries. Yeah. So there's a there's an increasing interest in, seeing what are the implications for for human safety and when when you have events where there is that thermal runaway of lithium ion batteries. It not it doesn't, like, is he in on the the safety aspect becomes, concerning not just when the thermal runaway starts, because there's a huge amount of, you know, and high high concentration of gases that get evolved. It's also before that before the actual fire starts. There could be CEO. There could be other components that are in very low concentrations, but still need to be monitored. Right. And that's how we can interface with you know, battery safety applications. Gotcha. Very interesting. So walk me through what a tool like this looks like in operation. Right? If we're talking about and we'll frame up a specific example, that you just gave us, which is, again, let's say, around the storage of lithium ion batteries. Who would be using this equipment in that larger space? You know, let's say we're talking about a power generator or utilities provider. And how would they use this in practice? Well, anywhere you're looking to protect humans from exposure to toxic substances. Right? So if you're working, let's say, at a battery recycling facility, you're gonna be dealing with dismantling lithium ion batteries, which, you know, they have volatile components because they work with, electrolyte materials. So, knowing what it's in the air. It's our it's our, our slogan. So, literally, somebody, like an industrial hygienist Yeah. Somebody designated will walk, around the building, with a probe in hand. I don't have the probe right now. And then there's there's they're gonna be operating this instrument from a tablet, you know, or like a, you know, a Windows based computer. And the instrument is gonna show you the concentrations for each gas present and get an updated reading every twenty seconds. Wow. Nice. That way, if you're if you if you see an exposure metric. Let's say, at some point, you're gonna you can set up an alarm, and that way you can, communicate that to your operators. Nice. And be able to evacuate the building if there's something unsafe going on for instance. Yep. Yep. So I imagine that this technology, has a rising interest in, sort of the carbon capture slice of the, you know, larger EUE, right, which is energy utilities and environment, stakeholders' industry. I I'm curious where you're seeing some energy there, right, because when we talk about carbon sure as a technology, it's still rather nascent. There are, some really interesting use cases, but, you know, operating at scale is still in development, let's say. Right? So I'm curious where some of that energy is at and how that's reflecting an interest in Gasmet Technology solutions. So when you talk about carbon capture, there's different forms of there's different, understanding under understandings of that. So one of them is natural carbon capture. You know, soils are a very important resource for us. So they do against a form of natural, you know, because there's there's, photosynthesis, they, they eat CO2. Right. Right. Sometimes our system can be, zinc of c o two or methane or other gases, but it can also be, as an, you know, a a source of it. Right? So, some people, especially working, and and I'm talking researchers. Yeah. You know, ecologists soil scientists, agronomists are trying to understand how that sequestration of carbon happens by soil. So they connect this instrument to, a flux chamber in the ground, like, above ground, and they're able to see the concentrations, the concentration profiles for methane theo two nitrous oxide, which is very key in agriculture activities. And again, that's carbon that's natural carbon capture. There's other scales for carbon capture in, you know, industrial applications in post combustion where we would you we would recommend an instrument that have the same analytical performance as this it's not gonna be working at ambient conditions, but at hot wet conditions, we keep the system working above a hundred and eighty degrees Celsius or at above sorry, at a hundred and eighty degrees Celsius. And, you're you don't have to, you know, pre dry or precondition your sis, and I'm talking gas that it's coming from a stack, right? It's hot wet gas. It's gonna go through a sampling system that's gonna be working, you know, at high temperature conditions and feeding that, that gas into a hot wet analyzer. Again, same technology, FDIR still, but it's gonna be working at a different temperature. And it could be both in, semi portable or portable application, or you can have it in a in a stationary format. Such as, continues emissions monitoring. Gotcha. Yes. So I love that because that obviously gives the industry the capacity to invest in proactive solutions, like you said continuous monitoring, but also reactive solutions. Like, this one, right? This one is more for in the field. And for more situational needs. Speaking of, I want to get your thoughts and analysis on how gas met and some of the industries where you're seeing increased interest, are reflecting major trends that are shaping the grid and how we how we move, how we gather and make sense of power. Obviously, I'm talking about batteries, proliferation of batteries, battery testing, energy storage equipment, tell us a little bit about, how that larger trend, which is not only impacting the grid, but, you know, is impacting homes and businesses as they adopt these solutions, how is all of that impacting gas met? Where are you seeing new opportunities for you know, your solutions to play a key role in this industry. Break that down for us. Well, in the case of the of lithium ion batteries, they are a great solution to reduce the the, you know, overall emissions of greenhouse gases such as c o two. Yeah. But and the the truth is everyone owns a lithium ion battery in their cell phone and their portable devices. So there is a safety aspect to it that needs to be, monitored as I was saying. So whether you're working you know, at a at a battery testing facility, whether you're an energy storage system operator, you need to be monitoring gases all the time. And if you need any gas or monitor any gas that does absorb infrared light, we could potentially measure whether it's in in ambient conditions or in hot wet sampling conditions, we have a solution for that. So I wasn't even expecting to be talking about this issue of, you know, battery safety in thermal runaway, you know, events at EUEC. My purpose was addressing carbon capture applications. And I found you guys. I've I've found vendors and in speakers, and, and there I am talking about gases emitted during these unsafe events. Right. So, it's worth mentioning. It's a safety aspect. We're not gonna I mean, it's it's it's a trend. It's not gonna die. It's where we're going. So we have to address those safety issues. And and I'm and I'm glad we have we can provide this, you know, a solution for for unsafety, for unsafety. Yes. Right. And I love that, right? Cause I think that really reflects why these kinds of, events are so critical because they're opening dialogue, but between different disparate members of this ecosystem that are helping lay the foundations for a reliable and operational you know, improved in sort of next generation energy ecosystem. And so, you know, the the fact that that kinda caught you about surprise and is now something that's on y'all's radar is, I think, powerful, and really speaks to why these events are so important. And so I'm curious now if you look ahead, then, right? Like you said, battery adoption, energy storage adoption is not slowing down. How do you see that battery adoption trend continuing the next few years. And, more specifically, how is that going to sort of increase the risk profile? Of maintaining the safety around the disposal of end of life batteries, storage of batteries. Right? And with that in mind, you know, what kind of advice would you offer in terms of building the right safety foundations to prepare for that future, for what's to come in terms of battery adoption and and the risks of my Well, I don't know an exact I mean, I don't I'm not a psychic. Sure. Yeah. Right. Where's your crystal ball? You're right. But what I've noticed though is There is a level of, we we need to commit to training people, for instance, like emergency responders. You need to talk to a fireman or even a hazmat responder on how do they how they respond to a battery fire. Yeah. They would do so in the same in the same sort of, from the same mindset as they would, another fire. Yeah. It may turn out that you don't have to use water to surprise let's say, lithium ion battery fire. So, you know, being in this community and learning from you know, all of areas of expertise. I feel like there has to be a better way to, address, you know, teaching them how to understand battery safety, because as I was mentioning, we all own a battery, like a lint, lithium ion battery. It could happen at any point in time. So if you talk to even if you call right now to, you know, your fire department and you say you have a hazmat event, they won't know how to address that. So teaching them how to understand what's going on during a fire means, knowing exactly where, emissions of certain gases will start happening. Will it start happening when the when the explosion happens, or does it start before. Right? So, a fireman, it's not a scientist. It's not their job to understand that. But they could understand the risk that's behind, let's say, going into a fire and not wearing, you know, the proper breathing, you know, instruments or, you know, the the protection equipment. So I don't know if I was replying to your question. No. Yeah. That that So so for me, it's all about safety. Yeah. We're providing an instrument that allows people to go in the clear to an area where they could potentially be exposed to Christinogens, substance, right, or toxic components? And, you know, I you did answer my question because, you know, you bring up the fact that the adoption of, battery technology and energy storage technology at scale isn't really even just about utilities or power generators or power providers It's really about this now full ecosystem of maintaining and managing risk around, the use and end of life of those batteries as well. And it's gonna necessitate major training of the first responders of, you know, operational teams that manage these to hopefully prevent these risks from happening in the first place. So whoever gets to hazmat Or, like, you know, and recycling facility. Right. You know, a lot of people just, you know, they they dispose of their battery in and it ends up in a regular place of disposal where a bird, you know, battery fires are an epidemic. In, like, in landfills. Yeah. They'll get smashed and then they could, you know, at, you know, any mechanical impact, or even overcharging any could potentially and I'm not I don't wanna scare anyone. Yeah. Right. That's the reality of it. And that's where we're going. You know, we're we all have them. We can't get rid of them. They're a great solution. They'll help us reduce the carbon footprint of energy production. Yep. So there and it's not just my instrument. There's there's other technologies in the field to to measure, you know, different gases, but need an understanding of how it happens so that we can help our clients, stay safe. And, and better understand, you know, the the dynamics of, you know, of these unsafe events. Totally agree. Totally agree. Well, Alejandro, I think we'll wrap it up there. Thank you so much for your analysis today of, you know, the industry and the role that GasMed is playing and, meeting some of these challenges head on. Again, folks, we've been chatting with Alejandra Carrera. She's a product engineer at Gasmet Technologies. And Alejandra, folks wanna learn a little bit more about gasmet technologies, the work that you're doing, that your team is doing. How can they get in touch, where can they learn more? Yeah. You can find us on social media at, you know, gasmet dot com. LinkedIn, Twitter, anything that has to do with the academia and people working on on research, with our instruments you're gonna find them on what used to be called Twitter now X. Uh-huh. It's the best form of marketing for, I've noticed for scientists. So we're always there as well. Very cool. Alright. Well, you heard it there folks. Go check out Gas Men, the great work they're doing. Alejandro, thank you so much for your analysis and time today. And folks will catch you on our next charge expo twenty twenty four interview. See you very soon.
